Emmanuel speaking through two channels

March 24, 1989

Present: Pat Rodegast & Michael, Sarah & Bruce Nevin
Tape recording made by Michael, transcribed by Bruce

Pat: It's not Emmanuel yet but when I'm closing my eyes, I heard the sound of chairs scraping, being drawn up, you know, like people sitting down and I feel that I have a sense of people coming in to sit down, curious people. And then I asked what was that about, and then I hear sort of a babble, how you would with a group of people coming into a room. Wait a minute, I've got to get back to it now.

Emmanuel: Wherever fear meets, there is always a sense of separation. When love comes together with itself, there is always a sense of comfort and oneness. So I would ask each one of you in this room at this moment simply to view themselves, just briefly, to feel where the tension is, where the separation, self from self, and therefore self from other. The wondering, the questioning, the fear. What if, what is this about, and of course the holy and at sometimes fearful determination to choose love for when one remarks to oneself that it is time to choose love, you know that at that moment of remarking you have not yet accomplished that choice, but that you have agreed to become willing to embrace love. And so with the two of you, the four of you, but the two of you sitting in this one room, it seems remarkable to the mind of all of you that such a circumstance has come about. Who is this Emmanuel, you're saying that he seems to project himself into more than one place at one time, seems to wear different costumes from time to time?

Well, haven't you? Haven't you in this moment chosen both to remain clothed in openness and lovingness and at the same time have you not all, with a bit more secrecy, if you will, chosen to clothe yourselves also with apprehension, fear, wonder, question? When I say fear, I do not mean terror, as you know, but simply a wondering, a caution, a weariness of what is this about. And so we would have you know, we were here in spirit. That the world of non-physical reality is sitting with great excitement, amusement, tenderly kind amusement, never cruel amusement, watching you both as you sit in the presence of who you know you are and who you know we are, and who you are coming to know who each one is, and you are stretching your minds so beyond their capacity to respond that it is a delight to see.

Pat: And I ask again, who are all the people who just came in and he said:

Emmanuel: They are beings of light who have sought to be present when anything of extraordinary moment takes place and I am not saying to you be alert, a miracle is about to happen. What I am saying to you is you are the miracles. And each one of you in this room, by your willingness to be present, by your capacity to open your heart and not to know have honored both yourselves and us immeasurably. So we thank you for that, for the curiosity, for the perhaps caution, but the caution is willing to yield, and for more than anything, the willingness to go beyond mind, to perceive what perhaps might be there. Even though, if what is present in some manner would explode the myth of mind entirely. And so, do you, dearest one Sarah, have any questions for me at this moment?

Sarah: Thank you.

Pat: And then we will return the compliment, he says.

Sarah: All right. I'm very, very grateful to have been led here by you. I'm very grateful to meet the woman who you have communicated through so wonderfully and to meet her with you. Do you have any words then for me about, shall we say, what is expected of me here, now, today.

Emmanuel: Well, expected is not, as you know, a word that I would utilize for expectation holds within it in perhaps a subtle manner demand and demand certainly is holding the hand of fear.

Sarah: Yes.

Emmanuel: What we would offer you, and I say, we, because there are more beings here present than myself. What we would suggest to you is that you release expectation, that you erase dimension, that you obliterate expectation of any manner, any form, any shape, and that the heart be given supreme authority.

Now what does that mean in practical terms, but to enjoy this exquisite moment of intellectual unknowing, of emotional curiosity, of heart opening, experience and to begin to move to the threshold of a greater understanding of what it is that we and you in physical form are about. We are about a great many more things than has been even supposed in moments of what seem to be vast expansion. For as we have said, the mind cannot touch, the mind cannot begin to touch the hem of the garment of the richness of capacity of who you are. And so having allowed yourselves, most willingly, to become human again, to be squeezed into your small perspectives that are essential to one's belief in one's humanness, you at the same moment remain at the edge of eminent discovery, breath by breath, as you live your lives.

What keeps you from the moment of greater discovery is simply the familiarity of fear, the familiarity of restriction of self perceived as self believes self ought to be. For instance, if you were to perceive yourselves, and I speak now to all of you, but most certainly to you and your question of what is to be now. If you would perceive yourselves perhaps as twelve feet taller, thirty feet wider, and a great deal more luminous than your eyes could possibly perceive, that would be disorienting to the mind that dwells within the costume of human personality. We in spirit, as we reach to touch the world of human clothing, would that we could release you from such bondage so that there would be no separation, that there would be no difference, there would be no forgetting. And so that we would meet in the oneness where identity, where names, where labels, where history is of absolutely no moment. Where it would matter not at all if the Emmanuel that you channel is identical with the Emmanuel who Patricia channels, that it would matter not at all, whether you were men or women, or whether the costuming of spirit as it speaks to human assumes either a man or a woman's clothing. Where the oneness is complete in and of itself in the moment of its creation.

Now to move in such a direction requires great courage both for you in your humanness, each one of you individually, and as a matter of fact, for us in spirit, as we reach in our oneness to release you from confinement, for, and this is very subtle and do hear it softly, the prisons, if you will, the confinement of humanity that you have chosen is uniquely yours and is sacred in that uniqueness. And therefore is inviolable and must be profoundly respected by the world of spirit as it must be respected, though not obeyed, by you.

And so we both stand in what seems to be separate worlds reaching in the remembering to the oneness that renders those separate worlds non-existent and yet knowing in the profound wisdom that is the essence of each one of you that the purpose for being human must be honored even though it is in essence the illusion of separation. And so as you move, as I began to say, to the threshold of discovery that there is so much more to who you are, there is an eternity, there is an everlasting, there is an all that is to who you truly are, then the mind reels and must not be allowed to destroy itself.

What I am saying here, and again most tenderly, is that yes, there are countless beings of light that walk with each one of you, no one on your planet walks alone. And there are in those beings of light the memory of who are and there are throughout your lives, moment by moment with every breath that you take, the opportunity to expand beyond your human personalities, to become again in the remembering who you have always been, beings of wonder and light. And there is divine purpose for which you are to remain human. And so you walk on this edge, the very crucial, though I say that not in the manner of danger, but of importance, this crucial edge of remembering and be patient with yourselves when you seem to fall back into a profound forgetting or when you seem to expand beyond what the human personality feels comfortable with. Be at peace with that, for these fluctuations, these variations on the edge of creation must for a time still be there, until you have learned to recognize the divinity and the humanness at the exact same moment of experience. You see you are still locked in the vocabulary of either/or. And though the mind may say, "No, no, Emmanuel, I understand that quite differently," you do not because you are not only your mind, but much beyond it and the mind must be willing to expand to its unknowing before it can truly know.

So what is expected of you? Why, just your loving truth, your willingness to be present whatever that may be. For you not to know one single thing beyond the fact that you have loving presence and you have willingly brought it here. And I would say that, that is all that will ever be required of you for the rest of your human existence.

And what do you require of me?

Sarah: Being here today?

Emmanuel: Yes, or whatever.

Sarah: What do I require? I don't require anything. I really didn't think I expected anything. The whole time I was preparing to come, I was saying, don't expect anything. I had no expectations, absolutely none. See what happens. I don't know what I require. I don't know what to say except that I want to know, I guess, what you just answered, which was that there are countless beings of light and I'm one of them. And that sharing a name doesn't have any limitations and that both of us, Patricia and myself, are both serving a light and that that's all that really counts. And I imagine that whatever I need to know I'll be told.

Emmanuel: We would that we could remove the labels of ownership. Not only in the manner of channels and their spirit guides but you within yourselves, for the ultimate truth is that no one owns anything, not even the next breath you take. And that there are those who have come to you both and will continue to who will ask you for the certificate of ownership of the being that you channel, the life that you live, the wisdom that you speak, and the love that you represent. And it is fear that is asking that both from others and within yourselves as well, for fear says if I do not own something, it can be taken away and love says only when I attempt to own it, can it be taken away.

So, what is to be done with what seems to be a most amusing and confusing duality? Well, let us begin in this manner, to say that love is all there is. And anything beyond the loving, beyond the purity and the essence of loving, is illusion. Therefore, as one moves into duality, whether it be across worlds or across rooms, one is in illusion. And so from the very fact of you sitting in this world in seemingly separate form and channeling if you will, what seems to be an identical and separate entity, separate from the vast oneness of all things, already conceptually we are an illusion. For there is no separation, there is only the one perfect loving.

How do you manifest in your world? Well you do constantly. Not clearly as your minds would like but clearly by your divine intent. You ask yourselves, what is my purpose here, what is my intent, where is my loving, what does my heart say. What better manner can one move from duality to oneness except by such a question. Who is Emmanuel? Why, that is just a piece of perfect loving. Then why is the name given in seemingly such multiple forms. Would you give love another name? Then, by all means, do so. It would be most pleasurable if every channeled being of light would proclaim themselves only Love. But that is not so simple as it would seem. Because the mind as you all know will grasp quickly, run to its historic dictionary and begin to give the definition of exactly who that particular spirit seems to be.

And so we rest again, at a most interesting edge, do we not? What is spirit if it is taken from the oneness? Is it still purity, is it still spirit, is it still perfect love? And what is a human being who reaches to know that greater -ism and who has been touched by it? What portion of them, then, remains separate in their humanness and obedient to labels, and what portion of them blends with the oneness and remains with the oneness through eternity? You have found, have you not, in this coming together, an interesting group of koans: What is the sound of eternity speaking outside the illusion of separation?

I offer you no solutions. There are none required. You both walk with your own divine purpose, your own loving awareness, your own good intent. And if there be confusion of the name, then let the confusion look to its own fear. And if there be in some minds of others, though most certainly not in your own, any sense of competition, then let that fear see itself and know itself and utilize what seems to be oneness in duality or duality in oneness. Recognize it as all part of the perfect loving that you all are and welcome such seemingly unseemly confusion as an opportunity to choose love again.

Sarah: I like that. I like that a lot. It feels very right. That feels like how I came.

Pat: So now Emmanuel is saying, "Now, would you like me to speak through you?"

Sarah: OK. All right.

Emmanuel: All right. I'm certainly ready. Now let's speak from the other side here. Greetings to you Patricia. How pleasant to be here with you. Isn't it interesting to talk to you in this way and to Michael, both of you. I don't get the chance to do this very often, do I?

You are gracious in welcoming this young woman who comes to you in innocence and with an open heart. She wishes all good will to you, to both of you, to all of you, to all that you are, all that you do and have done and will do and will be, all that you are. She wishes to serve the light. She has welcomed me at my invitation to her, to serve with me now. To this she has sometimes responded with fear. It has taken her quite a while. Of course, I'm in no hurry, there's never any hurry where I'm concerned. And so it has been a loving exchange with her to see her grow, to see her open, and welcome in the divine force and its desire to communicate itself, to spread itself wide across the land, to touch as many hearts and souls who are in body as possible.

As you know there is a great need to awaken the souls of those who are on your earth today. Being in your dimension is to move and to awaken, to touch, to open the eyes, the hearts, the souls, the minds, each being to each being. You, Patricia to Michael, Michael to Patricia, Patricia to Sarah, Sarah to Michael, Michael to Sarah, Sarah to Bruce, Bruce to Patricia, Bruce to Michael and so on. And so I came to Sarah, because of her willingness, because she had demonstrated her interest in the years before we came together in our renewed acquaintance here. She has grown and stretched, and now she is willing to come with me and to touch over and over again, to awaken, to enlighten.

My desire is to merge the message of what you and I have done, Patricia with what Sarah and I are doing, what Sarah is willing to be a part of. Let there be a hundred thousand million beings of light touching your earth, and may they all be called Emmanuel. It does not matter. It does not matter whether you call them Patricia, Emmanuel, George, Fred, Harry, it doesn't matter what their name is. We're all doing the same thing here. And so let there be light in great abundance. Oh yes, let me be with you, Patricia. Let me be with Sarah, let me be with others, and I will be. There will be others, you will see. My message is universal and there is a great need to awaken as many souls on your earth as possible. A great need to unify those in and out of body, those who are out of body are being brought into the great service, service of light, to come in touch, to be with, to love, to nurture, to awaken all those who are in your earth plane and also, as you know, those who are out of your earth plane, that is out of body, but who hover within the dimension of the earth reference. Such a need to bring in light at this time, such an opportunity. Let there be a hundred thousand Emmanuels.

Pat: Can I ask you a question?

Emmanuel: Yes.

Pat: You just mentioned spirits that are outside the body but that are still in forgetting, or still requiring the light. Why have you never mentioned them to me? But to me you have said, the moment someone dies, they're back home in the light. Why is the teaching different.

Emmanuel: Well, both are true. When a being leaves the body, yes, they are in the light. They return to remembrance, and yet a portion of the being can still be forgetting, can still be in forgetfulness, darkness, negativity. There is a great cloud about the earth of forgetfulness, forgotten souls, who hover, separated from themselves and their entirety. There is a great need to wash clean the etheric body of this your earth. To bring together, into the light, with greater brilliance, those in and out of body and those of us who are beyond the cycle of human incarnation, who hover about your earth and serve as light mediators, radiating light down into the substance of earth, into the substance of flesh, body. A great need to illuminate. And many, many more of us are collecting around the earth working with souls who have forgotten parts of themselves, bringing together as many souls as possible into an entire understanding of themselves as beings of light. Such an opportunity.

Pat: So let me tell you how I understand this then. That the essence of consciousness when it dies, goes home. The areas that still remain in forgetting remain around the earth gravitational pull. Then what happens to all that? Does that come back again into human form? Or is that like a cloud or what is that?

Emmanuel: Well, eventually, it takes on other body form. Because it cannot leave, you see. It is still very much tied to the cycle of incarnation. And so it says, yes, let me rejuvenate myself. My soul is thirsty, send me out then, send me out where I may refresh myself in remembering. And yet the part of that soul in its evolutionary incarnating pattern remains within the earth's atmosphere, you might say, etheric atmosphere, waiting in a sense to take on another body form. So you see, at this time there is a huge accumulation of forgotten selves hovering around your earth. It is making it very difficult, very difficult for the earth to cleanse itself as it needs to. It is providing, you might say, an envelope of negativity shielding the light.

And so I have enlisted in what I sometimes call the spiritual army, have brought myself into service to help as many souls as possible to pass through the veil of darkness surrounding your globe, to reunite as many as possible of them with their infinite light source. Those of us who are in service to the one God, who is the entire life process as it moves, grows, flexes, breathes, we are all involved in clearing the negativity and the darkness that has collected around your planet, and to move as many souls as possible into a point of union with their soul self. As a soul leaves this physical earth, you might say that it passes immediately into light. On the way, it touches bits and pieces of itself lingering in the earth's atmosphere, waiting for clarity, waiting for karmic balancing. It touches them, accumulates all parts of the self back together, goes through a shuffling period, sorting out the self as best it can. It is very difficult for a soul that hasn't achieved full enlightenment to truly sort itself out. It does the best it can, but because it cannot collect all of its parts into light with total clarity, it is for that reason beholden to return to the earth, to clear as quickly, as easily, as effortlessly as possible bits and pieces of negativity left in the earth's atmosphere. Now you have at this time a great clearing, for many, many souls have returned to earth, to do just this, to clear up bits and pieces of forgotten debris lingering in the earth's atmosphere. And we must do it, all of us collectively.

Patricia I love you dearly. I love you. I love your soul, I love your being, I love heart, your laugh, I love everything, everything about you. You humble me, Patricia, in your willingness to allow me, you see, to enter in and to assist in the cleansing process. You are indeed a beautiful being of light, I love you dearly.

You and I, you see are one in many respects. Your soul and my soul touch in the light, and where we touch, it is indeed Godly and beautiful. You have given me the graceful opportunity to enter into your incarnation pattern and to touch your entire being with light. And for this, I am immensely grateful. It is a tremendous honor to be welcomed in. So has Sarah welcomed me in. And many whom you have touched. You have touched in your willingness, you know, many, many souls. Many souls have collected themselves together, collected their darkness and negativity, bits and pieces of debris left around the globe, have brought themselves into greater alignment, greater clarity, and much has been accomplished. Much has been accomplished you see. And yes, as your dear friend Michael recounted, we have just begun, because you see the energy is beginning to accelerate on your globe. There is greater understanding and willingness to receive the light. More and more souls are eager to put themselves back into alignment with the light. This is a great blessing.

Pat: I have another question. When the consciousness that is at this moment labeled Emmanuel, when the greater consciousness, not just Emmanuel, when the greater consciousness channels through, how much of the individual do you use? How much of their human personality, how much of their vocabulary, how much of their education and understanding do you have to touch or do you have to utilize in order to communicate?

Emmanuel: Yes, good question. Good. Let's talk about this. As you know am beyond the incarnation pattern. I have no use for a body, your body, or this body that I am currently speaking through. I do not need or want a body. And yet, you see, you do. And so does this woman, here, Sarah. You have bodies, and most everybody you talk to has one to, don't they?

Pat: Most of them.

Emmanuel: So it makes sense, doesn't it for me, who I'm calling me, being of light that I am, for me to find a way to access the point within each person, yourselves included, where I can contact light to light and make my presence available to you. Anyone. You or Sarah. So you see I find that point of light within each of you where we can communicate. That point of light behaves prismatically, it reflects into thousands and thousands of particles, smaller pieces of light, which is what you know yourself to be, your consciousness in this lifetime. So you see, I am only a light source. You yourself are a prism. And so our interaction is light to light, and then how I happen to reflect into your earth's atmosphere through you prismatically is a matter of very individual concern. No two prisms behave the same.

You see, we made a light contact, Patricia, you and I, a light contact. I love you, I love you Patricia. You and I have love together, loved light, we are one. And where we love, it is indeed joyous. But for you to bring the light that we bring together into your world, to touch all of those who you have touched — and you have touched thousands and thousands of people — then you see we have the prism affect. My only concern in touching a being is to touch the light. It doesn't matter to me where you went to school, your education, your class background, your race, none of that matters to me. Your health matters. That is a great concern to me. But you see, I have reflected prismatically to all of these beings that we have touched together, Patricia. Every single one of them. And you and your personality, your particular prismatic reflection has reflected through all of these people as well. We have, you and I, kept our connection for the most part, quite pure. You have allowed me to enter into your light being, you have graciously welcomed me and for this, as you know, I am supremely grateful. Does that answer your question?

Pat: Yeah, in essence it does. Yeah.

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